I think we're speaking about two different things.
There's a conflict of interest on a project where a director may have a conflict. They have a conflict where it's direct because they sit on the board of directors of an entity that we may provide a loan to. It may be indirect or perceived if they may have a close family member or a close friend that is related to that particular project.
In that situation, the appropriate approach with respect to managing a conflict of interest is through disclosure and recusal. That's how we manage conflicts that may arise on our investments with respect to entities that may be related to our directors or where they may have a conflict.