Mr. Chair, through you to the member, I think there are probably a number of things we can do. However, if there are those types of small wins, I think they are going to be restricted to certain segments and sectors. Ron has talked about this, and Dave has talked about this. I think you have to pick some sectors, some parts within the sector, and you'll get smaller wins there.
For a system change, there are not going to be quick fast wins. I think you're correct in saying that there's a longer-term approach, but we need to lead to get there.