Right. The trucking industry is extremely fragmented. There are many owner-operators, and there are big companies, too. The industry, as I mentioned, has about 70% turnover. We have one member whose turnover is 0.77%. We asked them what they are doing. They pay hourly wages so there's no pressure on having to deliver “or else”. They have benefits. They have new trucks; they turn over their trucks every three years so they're using good equipment. They are moving towards technology with the data log. They are providing a good workplace for their employees, and people stay. They also have a mentoring program.
These are the kinds of things that we have to make available to people who want to get into an industry or a career. It costs money. You need to have programs where people can do it. Making a quick buck is great for today, but it's not going to help us going forward. I think there needs to be...and there is. On the provincial level, there are training programs for truckers, but obviously we need more.