Mr. Pickersgill, it's good to see you because, frankly, you've been hard to find. We wanted to have you appear at the government operations committee to report on the important study we're doing there. I'm not sure if you declined that invitation or just have not responded to it, but we would still like to hear you at the government operations committee.
Nonetheless, I'm glad I was able to find you here at the transport committee, because I think you are a very important piece in this puzzle in terms of the relationship that existed between the government, McKinsey and various other institutions.
Could you tell us what your relationship was with Kelly Murdock at PSPC and what kind of contact you had with this person?