You can't describe for the committee what kind of situation might bring up such a conflict in the context of the advisory council.
It's right in the document. They talk about people who are both involved in designing and setting the table and then sitting down to eat at the table. That would be an apparent or perceived conflict of interest.
I think that really gets to the nub of what some of the concerns are in the context of this hearing, which is that you have the same individuals involved in the advisory council providing the government with advice on how to, in your words, activate the platform of the Canada Infrastructure Bank. They then just move over two seats at the table, sit down and eat from the menu they set. That's the problem here, Mr. Morneau.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.