Okay.
I'll turn to the advisory committees, and I think some good thoughts have been shared on these.
I'm somewhat skeptical about the effectiveness of community advisory committees to provide good input, especially in the cases such as my colleague Ms. Murray mentioned, where the port authority is essentially in conflict with the community for some reason or another. This happens all over Canada. It certainly happens in the region I represent. I know it happens in Vancouver.
How do we ensure a certain level of independence so that those advisory committees are able to really provide the board with the view of the community and avoid a situation in which it simply becomes sort of a PR exercise and it's heavily managed by the authority and, in that case, creates a whole bunch of work that isn't necessary?