Right, and you mentioned as well the different modes of transport and the fact that short-line railways take a number of trucks off the road. We've heard that with marine shipping as well, with up to 1,000 trucks off the road for every ship, for instance, that was impacted by the St. Lawrence Seaway strike.
You spoke a bit about publicly funded roadways versus the railways. I assume you're talking about private investment that has to keep those going. What model do you think should be used for short-line railways to bring about a perhaps closer equitable situation between the two?