Evidence of meeting #29 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was projects.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Gregor Robertson  Minister of Housing and Infrastructure
Roscoe  Chief Executive Officer, Roswall Development Inc.
Rodgers  Managing Director, Slate Asset Management

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

No. Were they the first, yes or no, sir?

This is Parliament. You don't have the ability not to answer.

6:20 p.m.

Managing Director, Slate Asset Management

Jeff Rodgers

As I was attempting to explain, financial close is reached when all project-based financing—

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

Were they the first one to agree to lend to the project?

6:20 p.m.

Managing Director, Slate Asset Management

Jeff Rodgers

As I was attempting to answer, project-based financing takes place when there's a single financial close, and all documents are executed simultaneously, including the different—

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

You are being incredibly evasive. You're not just offending me; you're also offending millions of Canadians. You received over $200 million from Canadian taxpayers, and you can't answer a simple question. This is disrespectful, sir.

Mr. Cory indicated in his testimony that the repayment terms were flexible. In other words, if you didn't hit certain revenue targets, you wouldn't have to repay it. Is that true?

April 15th, 2026 / 6:20 p.m.

Managing Director, Slate Asset Management

Jeff Rodgers

I don't recall Mr. Cory's testimony being exactly as you portrayed it just now.

As I was attempting to explain, all financing is closed simultaneously—

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

Mr. Rodgers, that's not the question. Is there forgiveness built in to the repayment terms? In other words, if certain revenue targets are not hit, you don't have to pay back the CIB loan. Is that correct?

6:20 p.m.

Managing Director, Slate Asset Management

Jeff Rodgers

There are certain characteristics associated with a Canada Infrastructure Bank loan that are commercially confidential.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

You're not going to answer that question.

6:20 p.m.

Managing Director, Slate Asset Management

Jeff Rodgers

I've answered that question to the best of my ability.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

How is it commercially sensitive? Isn't it, in fact, politically sensitive? You're afraid to admit that this loan will likely be forgiven, and that there will be a tremendous windfall for Liberal insiders like Mr. Roscoe—

Chris d'Entremont Liberal Acadie—Annapolis, NS

I have a point of order.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Mr. Lawrence, I'm going to stop the time at two minutes and 20 seconds to ensure that you have the time.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

I'm not surprised that they're trying to cover it up.

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Which one of you is first?

An hon. member

I will defer to Mr. d'Entremont.

Chris d'Entremont Liberal Acadie—Annapolis, NS

We should be letting the witness answer the question to the best of their ability.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

This is not a valid point of order.

Cite the rule. You are a former speaker. Cite the rule. You don't know. There is no rule.

Chris d'Entremont Liberal Acadie—Annapolis, NS

If the member wants to continue to put words in all the members' mouths, I would suggest that he—

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

You just put the words in Mr. Perkins's—

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Colleagues, I'm going to let Mr. d'Entremont finish his point of order, and then I'll make a ruling on the point of order, so please....

Chris d'Entremont Liberal Acadie—Annapolis, NS

We should allow the witness to answer to the best of their ability, and not badger—

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you, Mr. d'Entremont.

I ask all members to ensure that we allow the witnesses to respond to the questions, if for no other reason than to ensure that we're not talking over each other for the benefit of our interpreters.

I stopped the time, Mr. Lawrence. I want to respect that. You have two minutes and 20 seconds, sir.

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

Mr. Rodgers, there is not a commercial sensitivity that—