Minister, I think any accountant will tell you that an operating budget will have a payment down of debt. BC Ferries will be using some of the federal monies it will have in its operating budget for servicing the debt to the Canada Infrastructure Bank. That's superfluous to this. You are the senior minister, between you and Minister Robertson. Are you going to say in cabinet that, number one, we should cancel this loan in favour of steel and aluminum and shipbuilding here in Canada—yes or no?
