It happens on a regular basis. I don't know if that's common or not. It happens when we sometimes have files that deserve ministerial attention and I'll pick up the phone and speak to the chief of staff, or my folks will speak to people in the minister's office and we get the ball rolling.
Certainly I can also say that any time I've asked to meet with either minister, they have been able to make time very quickly. So it happens on a regular basis, if you will, and it works.