I totally agree with Betty and Robert. We could try and go with the existing formula, and then come up with a new one. As a cautionary move, I'd like to propose an amendment to the motion. I move that we agree to adopt this formula on a trial basis for the appearance of the Minister of Veterans Affairs, and that the steering committee undertake to propose other formulas for future meetings. I insist on getting this in writing so that we can get back to what we were're discussing this afternoon.