No, no. I'll share with the committee my understanding of this. As it's been explained to me, it really has depended upon the circumstance and the Minister of Veterans Affairs and the occasion. There were times when they took members of Parliament; there were times when they took almost entirely veterans. It was dependent on the situation at the time. On some occasions when the minister brought members of Parliament, veterans groups actually openly protested and publicly created embarrassment for the government for doing so. I think to avoid the possibility of that, with regard to this particular instance, the minister has opted to take veterans with his contingent of 15 people. I don't know if that explains it in terms of 1980, but it gives you some context for the past.
Go ahead, Mr. Stoffer.