As regards your stakeholders
who are working with VAC, they don't get what we're trying to get. That's why we need to set up these clinics where they can talk to each other. We have to send some of our active duty members downtown, because we are not enough to care for them. But we liaise well with the psychologists, and we pay them to come to Valcartier to sit down with us when we have the interdisciplinary meetings. So they also get to vent with us.