The first I heard about it was about six weeks ago, or probably more accurately eight weeks ago, that Keith Hillier had been appointed to the position. I had a chance to have one consultation with him. He appears to be just a super guy and a super manager. But he's also a VAC employee, and I think, with no disrespect to Mr. Hillier, that there has to be impartiality in this process. If I can quote Perry, who gave me a very colourful quote concerning the bill of rights and the ombudsman being drawn up by a VAC ADM, it's not unlike having the Criminal Code written by the offenders of the Criminal Code, or having the inmates run the prison.