I'm just saying that's why they want to talk to us. They were surprised. They've never had the opportunity before to come to a committee and talk about what their future will look like with their pensions, how they're treated, and if they'll have doctors or not. It was quite compelling when they said, “This is a unique opportunity for us. We've never had this chance before.” For that reason we have to consider everyone.
I may be corrected by Gilles because he'll probably be speaking next, but I believe Sergeant Max Peddle served for 28 years, retired, and went back to the reserves because he could not afford to live. He had to do something, and he decided he'd sooner do something in a uniform. That's why he has served for more than 17 years now in the reserves. He believes in it, he wanted to work, and that was the only thing he could do. He could not live on his pension. That's one of the reasons why he's back working.