Okay.
When you started off, Mr. Clorey, you were talking about whether there was a stigma. I know Judy was raising the question. It's something that comes up and you hear about it. As a matter of fact, my friend was talking about the RCMP, and I remember being involved several years ago where all you were hearing about was stress leave for RCMP officers. There was nothing about treatment or going somewhere else, just that they were off duty.
Are we making progress on those stigma issues in terms of depression, or alcohol dependency particularly? I'm not so sure I understand as much about the social phobia that was referred to. Do you sense that, not just with Veterans Affairs but in terms of delivery, we making progress in breaking through that stigma part?