I would also add to this regarding the stigma. I believe the last time I appeared before this committee I was asked what was the biggest challenge I saw, and my answer was the stigma. There's still quite a bit of it. Today, it's not going to be the same answer. It's not going to be that, because I think there's been a lot of effort put into developing processes and programs to try to beat it.
Will we ever beat it completely? Again, I have to say no. We are a microcosm of Canadian society, and stigma exists in Canadian society. It will continue to exist in the Canadian Forces. I would invite the committee to ask as witnesses the joint speakers bureau, which I talked about. They are developing a national campaign on education to fight the stigma. This may be of interest to you, sir.