This was done for them by senior officials within various departments who said how it was going to be and that was it. There was no discussion.
The public service unions were completely different. They had representatives at the table who argued--for whatever reason at that time--for the particular benefits as they were drawn out and the deductions at that time. Military and RCMP had no say in this, and they still have no say in this. They don't have associations or representatives in terms of unions that could argue at a bargaining table if this was right or wrong.