We were actually set up 13 years ago. It was actually while I was still in Canada, in 1997. We've been in business 13 years.
Who else is on the council? Over the years we've had many people, but let's see if I can get them straight. They're in the report here. She went off a few years ago, but we've had Evelyn Shapiro from the University of Manitoba, who I would say counted at the time as the leading long-term care expert in Canada. The second one was François Béland, from the University of Montreal. He's still on the council. He's now the leading one, since Evelyn retired at the age of 80 or something like that. We've had Neena Chappell, who was the director of the centre on gerontology at the University of Victoria. She was on the council for a number of years. Norah Keating has testified before this committee. She is a gerontologist and an expert on families and the burden placed on the family through caregiving for people who have PTSD.