Therefore, it's hard to make the comparison as to the end result, because they're different in that regard.
I would like to follow up on something. You mentioned, as others have, the collaborative team approach for recognition during initial training. We've heard from witnesses that it has certainly advanced over where it was a long time ago. In early detection, of course, the military has made huge adjustments in very recent times, and of course it has been done in collaboration with Veterans Affairs.
I'm wondering and concerned about those in the gap period, before we made those advancements, who are perhaps still out there in the public. Are you finding that you're getting referrals from others, or, as you said, are people who have been veterans for a few years--they're still modern vets--entering the clinic themselves? Are people coming in who maybe didn't have the kind of process there is in DND today?