Yes, Mr. Chair. In fact, I have heard all of this before in one form or another. One thing with respect to the Office of the Veterans Ombudsman that I'm trying to preserve is our objectivity and our impartiality. I do not want to get drawn into the discussion of the specifics. There are organizations such as ANAVETS, the Legion, and a multitude of other very good organizations that are on the leading edge of the details, and I encourage them to continue in their endeavours.
What I'm trying to establish--and it's being reinforced in my visits--is the philosophical foundation upon which this charter can be built. I use an analogy of shooting a cannon out of a canoe. If we don't have that basis, if we don't understand the ethos of the military and the RCMP mind coming out, these details, sir, you witnessed it yourself.... The veterans become very passionate about such things as the earnings loss clawback, the SISIP clawback, and all of those.