Well, maybe I'll start with regard to the universality of service. As to whether someone should stay in DND, I would really defer that question to them.
On your broader question related to the public service, you are correct. DND certainly has hired significant numbers and Veterans Affairs has hired some. But there is continuing work going on and there are continuing discussions going on with the Public Service Commission in looking at ways that we could do even better across the public service in this particular regard.
But I think that one of the things we must remember, Mr. Chair, is that many of the people who leave the Canadian Forces aren't necessarily interested in a job in a government department. That's why we have moved ahead with our partnership with Helmets to Hardhats, for example, so that we can provide a diversity of options to individuals, and that's why we have career transition and other programs.