Sure. We include in attrition both spontaneous departures when people get a job or make a choice to leave for a career change on any given day as well as those who retire with a full pension.
We had anticipated that retirements would slow to a certain degree with the onset of government downsizing. In our department, there hasn't been a significant change. People are continuing to retire. That's because these people aren't only eligible to retire, but they're much past the point of being eligible to retire, meaning they're almost as old as I am. They're not 55. They're older than 55. They've got to a certain point in their career. In combination with their pension, they feel confident in leaving the public service.
Our attrition rate remains reasonably stable. We have people leaving and people coming. That's spread proportionally throughout the department's headquarters and regions. It's not always an even-steven match because of shifts in local markets. Generally speaking, we're seeing a steady movement through the department in terms of attrition.