Yes, a couple of times. It's interesting. The reason that I ended up in front of the Veterans Review and Appeal Board was they didn't understand the cumulative effects on the human body after serving 30 years in the infantry. They wanted a specific target injury. “When did you fall?”... “I fell hundreds of times; I don't know how much that attributed to it.”
It wasn't a very good experience. It reminded me of an orders parade in the military. You're sitting there. They're on the other side of the table. They get a commissionaire. You give the oath. You have your lawyer...“I haven't done anything wrong. All I'm here for is to get you to realize I got hurt in the military.”
For the mental health guys, I've attended many review boards with a veteran who has a mental health concern because I would know that he was starting to melt down. I've stopped them. I've said, “We have to get him out of here and get him some air.”
We made recommendations on how to set up a circular table, and a bit of a "Hi, how are you doing, sir? Great weather”, but they march in, bing bang, “I'm so and so and so and so.” It's not a very good experience. In a lot of cases, the veteran isn't even asked to speak, it's all through his—