In terms of transitioning from the CAF LTD—I'm assuming, when you say SISIP, that program—as a first payer, there is an ongoing relationship with a dedicated case manager, and Manulife will speak to that.
Generally speaking, that program is designed to take someone to the point where they are capable of returning to civilian employment. Otherwise, they're fully supported to age 65 under long-term disability for a totally disabled condition.
In instances where they are transferring to a case manager at VAC, it would be a special condition for whatever reason that they need that benefit again. I don't want to call it double-dipping, but Treasury Board constantly asks us whether people are using the benefit twice. There are no real statistics, before you ask me on that, but that is not the purpose of the program. The programs are designed to run and get you a solution within the program itself.
There is coordination, however. There was a document signed between VAC and DND in 2006, and again in 2012, that allows for the coordination of case manager expertise between the two departments. Someone with complicated transition needs who needs the income support and potentially the vocational support from the CAF LTD program, once they're ready, also is coordinated through that case manager, with another VAC case manager for complicated medical and psychosocial support. That coordination between case managers is a must, and it's something that is written in a document.