Evidence of meeting #91 for Veterans Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rangers.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Maryse Savoie  Acting Director General Field Operations, Service Delivery Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs
Faith McIntyre  Director General, Policy and Research Division, Strategic Policy and Commemoration, Department of Veterans Affairs
Hélène Robichaud  Director General, Commemoration Division, Strategic Policy and Commemoration, Department of Veterans Affairs
Whitney Lackenbauer  Professor, Department of History, St. Jerome's University, As an Individual
Phillip Ledoux  Vice-President, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan First Nation Veterans Association

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Colin Fraser Liberal West Nova, NS

Okay. You mentioned that a number of applications were made from indigenous communities for veterans' memorials and monuments and that they were denied, or the communities didn't hear back. When were those applications made? Do you know if they've reached out to Veterans Affairs lately to see if there's any funding available?

12:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan First Nation Veterans Association

Phillip Ledoux

In the last two years there were programs available to erect monuments, and nothing's happened.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Colin Fraser Liberal West Nova, NS

All right. We'll look into that.

Obviously, there's a program in place for monuments. There have to be criteria and rules around it, and not everybody is going to get approved. But if you don't mind sending that information to the committee, I'm interested in knowing about those applications and doing some follow-up.

12:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan First Nation Veterans Association

Phillip Ledoux

Yes, we can do that. We have people in our office who are more than capable of handling that kind of paperwork.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Colin Fraser Liberal West Nova, NS

All right, and thank you very much, sir, for everything you're doing. It's really much appreciated by every committee member, I'm sure.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Thank you.

Ms. Wagantall.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Phillip, first of all, it's a pleasure to speak with you. I don't know if you remember, but we did meet a year ago this summer at Legion 001 in Regina, correct? You were in that meeting.

12:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan First Nation Veterans Association

Phillip Ledoux

Yes, I was.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

I appreciate the opportunity to talk with you again. Since that time, as a new member of Parliament I really appreciate the effort of our indigenous communities in my riding to reach out and to build into my life my ability to serve you as part of the riding. I want to recognize what I see, and saw, which is the commitment of your communities to recognizing your indigenous veterans at your powwows, which I attended in Yorkton, and I've seen the efforts there even with your own association in Saskatchewan. It's very much veterans helping veterans and valuing each other. Again, that reflects your view that no one knows what a veteran goes through more than a veteran.

I just want to say at this point that if there are individual scenarios in which you're struggling to get the care you need, please reach out to your member of Parliament's office, to my office, to the office in your area. We do have the ability to help, to direct you to get the services you need.

12:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan First Nation Veterans Association

Phillip Ledoux

Thank you very much.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

I appreciate that very much.

In regard to the monuments, and the mention of the one up in Beauval, this is a very important area. We need to make sure we're caring for our veterans and their communities. Are you aware of how many scenarios there would be in Saskatchewan in which they haven't received that monument or the support to get the monument?

12:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan First Nation Veterans Association

Phillip Ledoux

There are possibly two.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

If you could share the information on those two situations, that would be very helpful for the committee.

12:55 p.m.

Vice-President, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan First Nation Veterans Association

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Thank you very much.

That's all I have. Thank you both so much for what you presented to us today.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

Mr. Samson.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Darrell Samson Liberal Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, NS

Mr. Bratina is going to go.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

You're splitting with Mr. Bratina.

Mr. Bratina.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Bratina Liberal Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Thank you, both. It's great to see you again.

Mr. Ledoux and Mr. Lackenbauer, I'm proud that I insisted that our committee visit the rangers. Their sovereignty patrol service is unique, and not common among other reserve groups. I mean, it's next stop Russia, in many cases.

Should our committee recommend that a special category of veterans be created for those veterans who have been serving 50-plus years and are still in service, but who may likely need to access some services that would have been available had they retired? Is that something that you think we need to look at because of this unusual circumstance?

12:55 p.m.

Prof. Whitney Lackenbauer

The committee may decide that's a direction it wishes to explore. I certainly think, given the unique nature of service, that trying to fit the rangers into “normal” program delivery of Veterans Affairs services will be limited, given that the rangers live in isolated communities for the most part. Therefore, the notion that you could just seamlessly deliver services akin to those delivered to other former reservists or regular force members in southern parts of Canada is not going to happen.

Whether you consider having a specific category of rangers or situate this more broadly within your considerations of what should be done to ensure that people living in remote areas get access to services, again, I leave that to the committee to decide, but I do think the fact that many rangers are serving far beyond what would be a compulsory release rate in the primary reserves or regular force should be factored in when looking at what benefit entitlements are available to them.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Bratina Liberal Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

This is exactly on the veterans topic, but in the work that they do, how do they transmit their information, and who gets it? I'm thinking there was a lot of disrespect. If the Franklin expedition had listened to the Inuit...they could have solved it 100 years ago. I'm hoping that there is respect for the information that those rangers are bringing forward.

12:55 p.m.

Prof. Whitney Lackenbauer

Absolutely. A tremendous amount of respect is needed, which is why their roles, missions, and tasks have always had a provision for providing the information they gather over the course of their everyday lives in their local area and for making sure that information relevant to the military is communicated to it.

I would also sort of contextualize that in explaining that a ranger is paid, according to the budget, for up to 12 days of activities a year, but a ranger is a ranger 365 days a year. They are the eyes and ears of the military in remote northern and coastal communities all the time, so when they notice an activity or a person of interest, that's usually communicated through means that are familiar to many of us. Rangers, like most northerners, are very avid Facebook users. That can be one method of sending information, as well as by email, by fax, or by word of mouth. They're also very well connected to their communities.

There's one infamous case up north where somebody tied to organized crime in another country arrived on a small craft on the beach of one of the communities. Somebody from the community saw them, quickly went and got the local ranger sergeant, who in turn went and reported to the RCMP that this person had arrived. The person was then, of course, duly processed and shipped out of Canada after due process had taken its course.

To me there's a great example of being very low key. Rangers, by being members of their community and being plugged into their communities, really do have access to information that many of us would otherwise not have access to. They know what is unusual, and they have appropriate measures to communicate that to people who can act upon it. They do it on a regular basis.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Bratina Liberal Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Mr. Ledoux, if I—

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Neil Ellis

I'm sorry we're out of time.

That concludes our testimony today. On behalf of the committee, I would like to thank both of you for all that you have done and continue to do for our forces members who have served and continue to serve. Thank you for your testimony. If there's anything that you would like to add to your testimony, if you get it to the clerk, she'll get it to the committee.

Motion to adjourn.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Bratina Liberal Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

I so move.