In reality, though, I did hear from other witnesses who were told that they were going over there and they weren't sure, but they might not come back. That's pretty broad. That sounds a lot like the potential to be in a war, and it was called a war. However, what we hear now is that there's this confusion on the ground in Ottawa in regard to what the definitions are. We did have testimony from VAC's assistant deputy minister for commemoration, saying that the Persian Gulf War is not defined as a war, and then she clarified that it was their perspective because Canada itself was not at war. I'm sure that must drive you as crazy as it does some of these other folks who have experienced what you experienced.
What would you have had to experience for it to not be a war? What made it a war? Let's go in that direction. In your hearts and minds, as serving members—