I think Kathy Grant will be speaking to the committee after me. She might be in a better place to speak to that.
I should say, just again, with the effort of fully reflecting these interviews, there are at least two Black veterans I can think of who were trailblazers in terms of what they accomplished. While being proud of that, they were also uncomfortable with being singled out, as they put it, as the first Black this or as the first Black that. Certainly, I've been lucky to speak to Black veterans who were at the forefront of change, whether that was as the first Black woman who was a fighter pilot or whether they were the ancestors of some of the few Black First World War veterans.
Again, there's pride in that, but to fully reflect what's been told, there are Black veterans who are, again, proud of what they accomplished as Black veterans, but maybe they're perhaps a bit uneasy about being singled out for being Black.
I'm trying to capture the nuances of these interviews. People's experiences are deeply felt, but they are also highly personal. I'm trying to highlight certain themes, but I'm also a bit cautious about painting an all-encompassing picture, if that makes sense.