If I could, Mr. Chair, I'll respond to that.
I know that we pay a lot of attention to the quality of care that's provided through our case managers. It's obviously measured in terms of numbers, but it's also measured in terms of the time they're able to spend. We hear from our own case managers that they feel that a level around 30 is probably acceptable; in fact, it's the industry standard. That's what they indicate to us.