Thanks very much for the question. It's nice to see you as well.
Without going into too many details and incorporating a private conversation between the VAC employee and the veteran, there was a discussion around the current status of how folks were doing. As the minister and the deputy have indicated, a consideration for medical assistance in dying was brought up inappropriately when somebody was expressing some difficulty that they were having. I would acknowledge that the employee brought it up inappropriately and then the discussion sort of went from there into a much more difficult circumstance, as I understand it.
I don't have a recording of the phone call. We won't have a recording of the phone call that took place. It was, as I understand it, the veteran who called in to the veterans service agent. They had a discussion around status, benefits and things of that nature. That was one of the elements of the conversation that came up.