Thank you.
First of all, let me say that we have a couple of veterans with us today.
Mr. Conrad and Mr. Meincke, thank you for your service to our country.
Mr. Meincke, you didn't have much opportunity to share a lot about your interactions with the veteran in question, which sort of led to this study, but you did of course indicate that you have had some interaction with him, and pointed out one thing that contradicted what we were told last week by the officials from Veterans Affairs, which was that there were no recordings. You indicate that there are in fact recordings and that you do have them in your possession. I wonder if you could help us to understand a little better what actually happened in this case, with, I note, the first-hand knowledge that you have of it, of course.
We were told last week.... First, we were told there was one.... It sounded like we were told that there was one incident, but there was very careful wording that was used there, and we later found out during the course of the meeting that there were in fact at least two veterans this has happened with, so I wanted to ask you about this, with your knowledge of what occurred here.
We were told that the conversation was only surrounding benefits that were available to the veteran and that medical assistance in dying wasn't proposed. You've indicated to us that in fact it was pushed, and it was pushed numerous times, despite insistence from the veteran that he wasn't interested. Can you tell us a bit more about how that conversation played out?