In fact that's not correct. The average is about 30 to one for case managers with respect to veteran workloads.
There are differences, and it does change over time. In some cases, new case managers coming on may have a reduced caseload as they build up their skills and competency. In other cases, there may be periods of time in which people either have limitations or have different abilities in terms of being able to deliver on a caseload. The average caseload is about 30.