Evidence of meeting #12 for Veterans Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was suicide.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Hurley  Veterans Mental Health Advocate, As an Individual
Duhaime  As an Individual
McKay  Veteran, As an Individual
Simons  As an Individual
Bona  As an Individual
Wouters  International Trauma Specialist and Consultant, Seven Edge Success Inc.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

How much time do I have?

The Chair Liberal Marie-France Lalonde

You have a minute and 30 seconds.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Both Dave and Darren, you have relationships—and you have opportunities within your service, Dave.

Do you know of any way that we might be able to track suicide amongst veterans? We're always told it can't be done unless they're members of VAC.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

David Bona

What are you asking me?

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Let's put it this way. You served in Somalia.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

The Canadian Airborne was dispersed—

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

David Bona

It was disbanded, yes.

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Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

You were there and then you went looking for a lot of them when you had this realization about mefloquine.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

How did you find out?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

David Bona

When I started reaching out, I would start noticing clusters because of part of my verification process. For example, one rotation in Afghanistan had the record number of suicides that I've come across, which was 14 in one rifle company.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Is there a record of that?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

David Bona

No, that's the record I found through my interactions with people. I've seen companies with eight and 10, but 14 was the record, though.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Thank you.

Darren, do you have anything to add? It's important that we figure out how to identify when someone passes away from suicide.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Darren Simons

When someone passes away from suicide, and they're serving, they know and we know.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Right.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Darren Simons

For me, as veteran and as a former police officer, every sudden death that takes place outside of a medical facility is investigated by a police officer, at least everywhere I worked. We have boxes to check on a form. We used to call it a preliminary report of death. Why don't we put a box or a chapter there asking if the person was a veteran?

The answer could be yes, no or unknown. Take the effort to find out if they're a veteran, and then we can start tracking this.

5:15 p.m.

Veteran, As an Individual

Justin McKay

I have one quick point. A veteran buddy of mine served in the Medak Pocket in 1993 with 2 PPCLI in Croatia. It was a group of three of them from the N Sask R that all went with 2 PPCLI to Croatia that year. Now there's one alive. That's two in three, if you want to average it out. Two in three veterans die.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Were they serving?

5:15 p.m.

Veteran, As an Individual

Justin McKay

I think both were retired or out when they—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

This is a suicide—

The Chair Liberal Marie-France Lalonde

Mrs. Wagantall, I—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Marie-France Lalonde

I'm sorry about that.