Evidence of meeting #16 for Veterans Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was accounting.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Jill McKnight  Minister of Veterans Affairs
Tessier  Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer and Corporate Services, Department of Veterans Affairs
McDowell  Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Veterans Affairs
Harris  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, Department of Veterans Affairs
Freeman  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Planning and Performance Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, Department of Veterans Affairs

Steven Harris

I can certainly send you that information.

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

That's excellent.

It would be good to have the data on the veteran and family well-being fund, both in Quebec and elsewhere.

Do you have any data on veterans whose first language is French? Do you have that information?

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Veterans Affairs

Christine McDowell

Mr. Harris, do we have data on veterans' first language?

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, Department of Veterans Affairs

Steven Harris

We have a lot of data on the first official language of veterans.

As for the veteran and family well-being fund, my colleague Mitch Freeman could answer you.

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

What is the percentage of francophone veterans in Quebec?

Mitch Freeman Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Planning and Performance Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs

Thank you for the question.

I don't have that information with me right now, but I'm happy to provide it to the clerk.

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

I'd also like to know what percentage of the budget is invested in the veteran and family well-being fund in Quebec. So we'll have a lot of numbers, and we'll be able to do an analysis.

I have one last question. Why are we still doing business with contractors who don't necessarily have the required expertise? Organizations like the Pathways tell us that a little more money is one thing, but that medical resources are also needed. Why aren't we doing more business with duly authorized organizations?

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Veterans Affairs

Christine McDowell

Thank you for your question.

Mr. Harris, can you answer it?

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, Department of Veterans Affairs

Steven Harris

I work with a number of organizations that support veterans, not only through the well-being fund, but also directly to meet the various existing special needs of our clients, in other words, veterans.

However, it also requires expertise. I don't want to say that the organizations you refer to don't have expertise, but we need people with medical expertise, a specialty and all kinds of things. It's ideal if they have a medical specialty and if they specialize in veterans' history—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marie-France Lalonde

Thank you very much.

I'm so sorry, Mr. Harris. I can't let you know it's over without interrupting you. I apologize.

The Chair Liberal Marie-France Lalonde

We go to Mrs. Wagantall for five minutes.

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Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Thank you very much, Chair.

Mr. Harris, graph 1 of the departmental plan 2025-26 indicates the department's total budget will decrease this next year by $2.2 billion. Can you just very briefly give me a couple of sentences: Is that due to Pension Act war veterans passing on and the need for those dollars to no longer exist in that way?

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Delivery, Department of Veterans Affairs

Steven Harris

Madam Chair, I might just ask my CFO colleague to take that question.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer and Corporate Services, Department of Veterans Affairs

Pierre Tessier

There are two key factors that demonstrate why you see the decrease to $5.6 billion. The first was that we had temporary funding that was planned to end in March. The second one was no ongoing update to our quasi-stat previously, in the way our funding is booked. These two items have been addressed. Specifically, it's the ongoing funding, the $184.9 million over four years—that's one part of it—and the $40 million ongoing, that will enable us to process more disability claims as they come in, and the—

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Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

I appreciate that. It's a good answer.

Very briefly, in 2021 a recommendation was accepted by the government that it would provide mental health care funding for family members in their own right, so it was agreed to. I understand VAC can't do anything about that without a legislative change. Has any work been done to determine the costs involved in something like that? Were there any recommendations made to the government in coming to a decision on what they agreed to bring in with legislation? I don't know who should answer that.

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Planning and Performance Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs

Mitch Freeman

Certainly, there has been lots of work on making sure that families have mental health care, to the best of our ability, inside of the current legislative framework, as you've highlighted, and a consideration on how to evolve that into the future is work that is under way. There's no direction at the moment, and that would, ultimately, be a change of that legislative framework.

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Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

It would have to come from the government wanting to have the legislation to kick off that process of determining how that would fit into the overall budget of VAC.

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Planning and Performance Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs

Mitch Freeman

Certainly, it would have to be a conversation around a legislative change. That would be a decision of Parliament.

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Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Has nothing been done on that to date?

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Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Planning and Performance Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs

Mitch Freeman

I would say that I've not seen anything tabled in Parliament for that type of decision.

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Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Okay. Thank you.

I'm sorry. I'll pass it on to....

The Chair Liberal Marie-France Lalonde

You still have time.

You have two and a half minutes, Blake.

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Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Airdrie—Cochrane, AB

I have a question for whoever's most appropriate to answer it....

Ms. McDowell, with regard to the veterans employment and homelessness strategies, can you tell me what the cost, to date, of each of those two programs has been, and then, also, the metrics to determine success for those two strategies?

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Acting Deputy Minister, Department of Veterans Affairs

Christine McDowell

Certainly, both of those programs are very important and critical for veterans.

In terms of homelessness, no veteran should be homeless in this country. We take that very seriously and are working with our partners at Housing, Infrastructure and Communities Canada to implement the veteran homeless program.

Blake Richards Conservative Airdrie—Cochrane, AB

I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt. I mean, I agree with you—we both agree on the importance of the strategies—but I have a very limited amount of time that I'm provided. You know the chair will cut me off if I use it.

I just need to know what the cost to date for the two programs is and what the metrics are for success. I have one follow-up question as well.