Mr. Speaker, the hon. member should look at the entire speech. We set out a series of very specific objectives and goals that we wanted to achieve.
One is to achieve more effectiveness, more efficiency in the delivery of programs, to end duplication, to overcome a lot of overlap and to find better ways of delivering dollars to those who need them. Those are clear ways in which money can be saved but that is not the only objective.
The real objective and the real saving comes when we can get the three million Canadians who last year had to depend on some form of unemployment insurance or social security to find a good job, to have some hope and to have good training.
The real saving to Canada is when it makes full use of its human resources. That is when we will really have a saving. There is a bigger human deficit than a fiscal deficit in Canada today.