Mr. Speaker, if anyone were to ask who is the greatest demagogue here, I really could not say. According to the facts and figures that were just quoted to us, a certain amount of employment is provided.
However, what the figures do not show is how many jobs disappear as certain lines come up for review or are phased out. How many ephemeral jobs will come in the place of these jobs that are very well-paying? That is the question.
As for the Canadian federation, we had a chance to see what is was worth during the past century. The federation is like a sinking ship. Just look at the deficit, the debt and the rest. I think Quebecers already know the answer when they consider the real figures, not figures that try to cover up certain facts. Jobs will be lost if these railway lines are abandoned, and they will be replaced by very ephemeral jobs.