Slightly more. In reaching to make a point I say to him-he is my senior so I should not be trying to coach him in public like this-that he does not need to reach for falsehoods to prove his thesis. For him to stand in the House and say these programs have lately arrived is a falsehood; it is just not true. These programs were there when he was a baby.
In the House of Commons on November 17th, 1994. See this statement in context.