Mr. Speaker, I am sure the hon. member will be very happy to know that last week we had a series of meetings with provincial ministers in education and labour.
They have all agreed to become part of a major effort to reform the social security system. We agreed we would begin to tackle the very serious problems of duplication and overlap of services which do create waste.
We are now dealing with the provinces. We believe we can make substantial savings at both the federal and provincial levels to reduce administrative costs and reduce the kind of overlap that creates additional cost. It is not to reduce the money going to individuals, not to reduce the direct delivery of programs, but to reduce the amount that goes to bureaucracy administration. That is the objective of this government.