Mr. Speaker, frankly I have sat through this presentation just shaking my head. I have heard a lot more of the same: what we have heard from bleeding heart Liberals over the past 10 years. I am really concerned about that.
It was reflected in the hon. member's statement about 16-year-olds ending up in the prison system and being abused by 30 and 40 year old prisoners. Instead of dealing with the problem directly by fixing up the prison system, he used that as an argument against our changes in age in the Young Offenders Act. Again and again I have seen problems being dealt with in any way but a direct, head on approach. I think we need more direct dealing with problems head on.
I have a comment and a question for the member. I think he argued in favour of the change we are proposing when he talked about pimps. The hon. member asked what kind of punishment we were giving to pimps. Does he not think that there are more and more 16 and 17 year old pimps who are covered under the Young Offenders Act and cannot be dealt with properly?
That question and the answer to that question support the argument in favour of the changes we are proposing today. I would just ask the hon. member if that is the case.