Mr. Speaker, I believe that when the member opposite says he does not believe in quotas he is quite sincere. It does not matter how it is
dressed up. If there is a numerical target that is a quota. It does not matter how it is dressed up, it is a quota.
I ask the member opposite to respond to two brief questions. In his comments earlier the hon. member said it was wrong that a woman should not be able to get a job because she was a woman. Is it also wrong that a man should not get a job because he is a man?
The Department of Justice in its employment equity guidebook uses an employment equity target with a table that specifies the following. It will recruit 2.2 per cent of aboriginal peoples with promotions at 1.1 per cent; 2 per cent of persons with disabilities with promotions at 2.8 per cent; 4.4 per cent of visible minorities with promotions at 2.7 per cent of the total staff. If these are not quotas, what are they?