We cannot simply convince the Minister of Finance. This is where we go to the member for Trois-Rivières' point about the technocrats, the bureaucrats. What we really should be doing is lobbying as elected men and women. We should lobby the finance department.
How many members have taken the time to go to the finance department, sit down with a senior bureaucrat and talk to him or her about their ideas for tax reform? Those public servants cannot refuse to see elected members of Parliament.