If the hon. member will allow me to do so, I will. I would like to answer the question.
Reform members are not in touch with the people of Canada. Seventy-four per cent of Canadians say that the program is important because it assists them in buying homes. We are not talking about an elite group which thinks that only people with a lot of money should be able to own houses.
To return to the issue, I mentioned in my speech, and I will repeat it, that any insurance program and any insurance company base whatever they do on an actuarial risk basis. This has been shown on a routine, standard, normal actuarial risk basis to be sound. This is not only because of the need in the community for it, but over the years since its inception the program has returned $1 billion to the coffers of the treasury. Just last year alone it returned $55 million to the coffers.
I do not know if I have to speak loudly or clearly or what I have to do to get those facts on the table. Maybe repetition is the only way to go.