Mr. Speaker, the discussion we had yesterday with the provincial finance ministers, which was actually the second because we had one prior to the last budget, was very worthwhile. It is really part of making federalism work when finance ministers can sit down and basically off the record exchange views and build a common consensus. It was very good.
I did not go into complete detail. What I did was provide the broad outlines, and they did as far as I was concerned.
The point I made yesterday in terms of taxes was that I pointed out what I thought was a reasonably perceptive glance into the obvious. However, I will draw it to the member's attention again. We are going to close loopholes. To the best of my knowledge it is not the poor in this country who are utilizing loopholes.