Mr. Speaker, the figure I quoted is based on the data given in the Budget, on the minister's own figures over three years, projected according to the same parameters. He cannot deny those figures.
More specifically, I want to ask him whether he would agree that the debt problem will not be solved as long as nothing is done about the political structures of an ossified federal system that has turned Canada into a country that is overgoverned with, for instance, 40 per cent of federal spending targeted to areas that come under provincial jurisdiction?