Madam Speaker, I will try to be brief in my comments. We have just heard our hon. colleague tell us that she feels this budget is very tough on ordinary people but that it is a necessary evil. She used the phrase "no pain, no gain". That is what Canadians expect, according to her.
Yet, if we look at all the other members of her own government, we see that the hon. member for Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, for one, feels that social programs are not really the main cause of the debt. Not too long ago, the hon. member for York South-Weston said that what the Liberals were about to do was what they had denounced when the Tories were in office. Our hon. colleague has just read some documents reminding us of the comments made by the hon. member for Hamilton West, who said the exact same thing.
I will close with this: Given that the cuts they are about to inflict on ordinary people are due to Canada's debt and that, despite these cuts, the debt will continue to grow, does my hon. colleague not feel that, in the current situation, there will be much pain and no gain at all?