Mr. Speaker, I have never heard such rubbish.
Is it really an honourable debate of issues when somebody gets up and says the superior Liberal Party doesn't want to kill people and doesn't want babies to starve on the streets? By implication it is suggesting the people on the other side would have policies which deliberately would kill people and make babies starve.
We do not by that kind of debating style advance the cause. Let us understand that all of us wish to have the best for all Canadians. The issue is how do we best get there. Only by discussing the issue of how we get there is any progress being made.
Let me take the issue of unemployment insurance. The hon. member has never read any of the royal commissions made by previous governments, including Liberal, on the examination of the unemployment insurance system. They have universally said that system was created to protect Canadians from the hazard of unemployment. There was never any conception this should be used to pay for people who choose to become pregnant or who are ill, as she noted.
The point is we have different systems for taking care of these things. It is totally inefficient and inequitable to ask some people to pay for hazards for which they are not exposed.
Her calculations on welfare payments are totally off. We are currently paying $20 billion in UI and government OAS benefits to retired people. We are paying $18 billion in CPP-QPP. That is $38 billion.
If $3 billion is cut out of that from the top, the arithmetic shows it is not necessary to go to the lower level. That is the kind of discussion we need, not saying we want to save lives and the other people want to kill Canadians. That is totally inappropriate for the Chamber. It is an indignity.