I did not interrupt the hon. member when he was speaking. Maybe he can give me the same courtesy.
Let him remember and understand history. Yes, regional economic development programs have not been a raving success. To suggest there have been no successes is factually incorrect. It is factually incorrect to suggest that they have not benefited certain regions. The hon. member should travel the country extensively before he states false and misleading information of that nature.
The hon. member makes the statement that somehow we changed the programming of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency because of the interventions of the Reform Party. The people who changed that program from grants to loans were the business community and business representatives in Atlantic Canada. When I travel Atlantic Canada, which is extensively, I meet with them time and time again. I have listened to what they have said and listened to what the Atlantic Liberal caucus has said and that is the reason we moved from grants to repayable loans.
Finally, the hon. member made reference to a dingy on the coin.
Let me say to the hon. member that yes, the students at the University College of Cape Breton have referred to this wall that they have constructed under an infrastructure program as the "Dingwall".
I want to tell my hon. friend that just the other day I drove by the "Dingwall" in a car with white walls. I want to assure the hon. member that the "Dingwall" is a hell of a lot more effective and durable than the white walls on that car. I think the hon. member knows who I am referring to when I talk about the white walls.