If the hon. member for Outremont will let me finish. Naturally, some social programs have to be maintained, but the problem is this: at this rate, certain cuts have been so poorly targeted that, if you tie program spending to debt charges and the debt continues to grow at the same rate, there will come a time, five or six years down the road, when program spending cuts to the tune of $75 billion will become necessary to match debt charges of $75 billion. The
federal government will then be paying as much on debt service as on all programs provided to individuals and the provinces. We will have a crisis on our hands. That is what this government is leading us into.