I thank the hon. member of the Reform Party for his question.
I will answer the second part of his question first. There is no way that government will ever grant the Reform Party its wish for a two-tier health system, with one system for the rich and another for the poor. That is out of the question.
Extra billing and private clinics lead to a two tier system: one for the rich and another for the poor. The government in office in Ottawa will do no such thing because it is against its principles.
As for the first part of his question, I think that it is up to the provinces; they can and must cut their costs, which have become astronomical. There are certain things that must be looked at, costs, hospitals, provinces and even physicians, and I am one myself. Therefore, it is within the medical and social service community that the solution should be sought, and not in terms of the accessibility per se of the services.