Mr. Speaker, I truly appreciated the comments made by the hon. member for Beaver River. She is right on when she raises the issue of who the government is listening to regarding this legislation. The government is certainly not listening to its members: it is listening to lobbyists. The government listens to lobbyists even in the case of Bill C-43.
Earlier, the member for Ottawa Centre said that the hon. member for Beaver River was going around in circles. However, at one point, that same member was laughing when she accused the government of tabling a bill with no substance. It is as though the government is making fun of people by not tabling substantive legislation.
Such substance is not found in the details mentioned by the government member earlier, but in the comments made by the western member when she said that what we need is an independent ethics counsellor. The fact that it is not the case confirms that this government does not really intend to strengthen the legislation and counteract the efforts of lobbyists.
I have a question for the hon. member. Does she not agree that lobbyists are the only ones to whom the government is really paying any attention?